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LeMaker on FrOSCon(Free Software and Open Source Conference)

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MKT  
On 22nd and 23rd August. LeMaker Team attended the FrOSCon (Free Software and Open Source Conference) at St. Augustin.



[size=1em]In detail we had:


- the whole Banana hardware family
- the german Banana Pi book ("Schnelleinstieg Banana Pi")
- a 24" display connected to a Banana Pro running Bananian with LXDE GUI
installed
- a Banana Pro connected to the 7" LCD
- the LeMaker Guitar which running the original preinstalled Ubuntu
image (connected to the 24" display for testing)
- acrylic glass mounted with a Banana Pi, Banana Pro, 2,5" HDD and a
switch (by Frank)
- lots of sweets! ;)





Saturday (22. August) was the first conference day. We met Frank at 8:30am, picked up our Exhibitor conferences badges and did some final booth installation. At 9 am the conference opened for visitors.

That was when the stress began! ;). There were so many interested visitors from all over Germany and Europe. Some of them just came to the conference to talk to us.

We collected very positive feedback and compared to last years FrOSCon the Banana Pi/Pro hardware is now very well known. Most of them favor the Banana Pi/Pro because of the native Gbitethernet and SATA which is a killer feature compared to the Raspberry Pi. Everyone is claiming the Banana Pi/Pro as stable and reliable. No major problems have been reported.

When it comes to the operating system people prefer Bananian because it is very lightweight and rock-stable. bananian-update is outstanding! All other images have to be reflashed after every new release.


In summary the first conference day was very busy - and awesome!

At 6 pm the "Social Event" (barbecue and drinks) began. Everything was free for all conference visitors and we had a nice evening.

The second conference day (Sunday, 23. August) was a bit more quiet than the first day. To be honest: We really enjoyed this! I had time to visit a talk (about privacy protection) while Tina and
Frank managed our booth.


Altogether we successfully managed to present the Banana Pi/Pro and Bananian at this very busy confernce.

tkaiser  
Since you seem to be a marketing guy can you please elaborate why "you" showed the following hardware there also:

  • Olimex A20-OLinuXino-LIME2
  • Sinovoip/Lamobo R1
  • SinoVoip's M1+
  • SinoVoip's M2
  • SinoVoip's M3

And then it's simply not true to claim Bananian/bananian-update is the only distro that supports a smooth upgrade (since Armbian does the same). And it feels a bit strange that you complain about 'all the other images' that force users to start from scratch with new versions since they're provided by you yourself: LeMaker. You could do the same as Bananian or Armbian. But I doubt that LeMaker spends development ressources on Banana Pi/Pro any longer...

Jeff  
tkaiser replied at Tue Sep 15, 2015 00:26
Since you seem to be a marketing guy can you please elaborate why "you" showed the following hardwar ...

It's reasonable that they just posted the info of their products. isn't it? you typed so many words just to claim Sinovoip's products are not included ? if you read the article carefully you can find the second picture including two pcs . hah

tkaiser  
Jeff replied at Tue Sep 15, 2015 01:51
It's reasonable that they just posted the info of their products. isn't it?

Of course since the main purpose of this 'report' is to spread misleading marketing stuff. FrOSCon is about 'open source' (not marketing) and the booth there was about Bananian. Imagine how many boards shown here https://twitter.com/tryvann/status/631863851139530752 are 'open source hardware'? Unfortunately just one (the only one not from China).

I believe that's the very same reason why LeMaker still refuses to link to the most flexible/advanced distro available for Banana Pi/Pro: http://www.armbian.com. Marketing interests vs. openness. And no, this is not a 'Bananian vs. Armbian' thing. Both are open projects supporting a wide range of boards and taking the best parts from each other from time to time (and that's the whole idea of openness!)

Hello LeMaker's team,

Cool to see you spread the word in Germany

... the Banana Pi/Pro hardware is now very well known. Most of them favor the Banana Pi/Pro because of the native Gbitethernet and SATA which is a killer feature compared to the Raspberry Pi.

Unfortunately, I have to admit the situation is not so brilliant at least here in France
The take off was very fast as a power board was waited for a while (Raspberry 1 was too slow for many usages), and lot of enthusiasts started with the Banana. But ...
  • The bad support of hardware acceleration made some people gave up.
  • Beginners was stopped by the lack of general purposes tutorials (you started some good ones, why stopped your efforts ?), and by the fact ... there is no French dealers for BananaPro
  • Despite the board connector is supposed to be compatible with Rasberry hats, few people tested very added values ones.

I have personally trying to make the board more known here by showing my own projects, by sharing what the board can do on SBC's forums (especially on Raspberry DIY and smart housing ones), but powered people already knows this boards and potential newcomers go to Raspberry due to facts I exposed above

So all in all, even if your board is a far better than Raspberry, it is slowing sinking due to lack of proper "advertising and support" ...

tkaiser  
destroyedlolo replied at Tue Sep 15, 2015 09:13
So all in all, even if your board is a far better than Raspberry, it is slowing sinking due to lack of proper "advertising and support"

Even worse. After LeMaker's and SinoVoip's 'divorce' both are trying hard to destroy the Banana community (LeMaker by stopping support for the boards and focussing on their new babies -- SinoVoip seems to have no clue at all what the word 'support' means).

Why using a board when you stumble over something that looks like an official 'support forum' like http://www.bananapi.com/index.php/forum/recent or http://forum.banana-pi.org where no questions are answered and all that happens are marketing postings showing useless videos, useless pseudo tutorials that lack detail and every 2 days a new 'OS image' without upgrade options (and often even without a download link).

Same applies to LeMaker here. Marketing bullsh*t instead of support/information: For example this here: "Here is an introduction and user manual about DIY the LeMakerintelligent motor based on LeMaker Guitar". It's not a user manual (not even an introduction) and the SBC shown is clearly a Banana Pro. What's the purpose of such useless stuff?

Ok, they gave up on Banana Pi/Pro.

But why are still no (ok -- misleading, incomplete or wrong) informations available for the Guitar? Look in the wiki for the Guitar. There is a page trying to explain cpufreq scaling. Half of the stuff is just copy&paste from sentences I wrote in the linux-sunxi wiki that do not apply to the Guitar because there neither existed a dvfs_table nor does mainline kernel support exists. Have a look into the wiki page for the camera module. There are physical specs but nowhere is mentioned that you can't use the OmniVision module they chose for Banana Pi/Pro and now the guitar in a reasonable way due to lack of drivers. You get crappy images and video out of it that are way below the specs listed here. And so on...

Why trust a manufacturer that doesn't care about documentation and community support? If you ever had a look into a board's manual from eg. Olimex you will always have to laugh when you see the 'manuals' SinoVoip or LeMaker provide (if you manage to find them somewhere)

Half of the stuff is just copy&paste from sentences I wrote in the linux-sunxi wiki that do not apply to the Guitar because there neither existed a dvfs_table nor does mainline kernel support exists.


I think the method in the wiki of CPU frequency can apply for Guitar, and it really work.

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